Quick! What's the number one thing that connects readers to characters and stories?

If you guessed dialogue,
you're right!

With He Said, She Said, you'll have dialogue that's on point and truly immersive, turning readers who enter your world into superfans.

Connecting with readers is what's going to turn them into superfans, and the best tool that you have is your dialogue. That's what builds emotion, and… emotion creates attachment.

Don't throw that away because your dialogue is stilted, cluttered, or worse yet, confusing. It's not just the words coming out of your characters' mouths that can put up road blocks... it's also the presentation of those words.

You know how your favorite books make you feel like you've found a friend? You connect with the characters, cheer for them, hurt for them, get mad for them? That's immersion, and it does not happen by accident. But here's the good news—writing lively dialogue isn't some great mystery. It's a learnable skill, and you can add it to your writer's toolbox in just a few hours with my class, He Said, She Said.

We've all heard that a picture is worth a thousand words. But here's the thing—you can create pictures with your words.

A big part of that is done through dialogue and the accompanying actions.

See those pictures on the left? You can have readers painting imagery that's just as vivid as they read your story. And once they're immersed in your world... you've got them hooked in a good way!

He Said, She Said…

Guaranteed to breathe new life into your characters' conversations!

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Barbara Emodi

"There is absolutely nothing like the voice of true experience. I am already in the process of revising some of the dialogue on my latest piece, back from the editor, I should add, but without direction on the dialogue that would clearly make it much better. He Said, She Said was fantastic!"

—Barbara Emodi

This is for you if...

✋ You write fiction and your characters talk to each other. 😉

✋ You want your readers to get invested in your characters.

✋ You want clear, concise ways to truly make your dialogue more immersive.

He Said, She Said is designed to get you playing your A game when it comes to your dialogue. Quick, compact lessons that are a surgical strike aimed right at your characters' conversations.
Enroll now for instant access and take your dialogue to the next level!

You'll be writing dialogue that is:

CLEAR—Don't have your readers wondering who's speaking, who's where in a scene, or what your characters are doing.

EMOTIONAL—Your readers will actually connect with your characters and feel like they've met a friend. That's going to get them invested in your stories.

IMMERSIVE—Readers being immersed and invested means they continue to buy your books and keep reading your series. Win-win!

Progress 100% guaranteed! If you watch all the lessons and implement the tips and tricks in your own manuscript, you are going to see a huge change—I promise. But if you decide it's not for you within 30 days of purchase, I'll personally refund your purchase price. No hard feelings. 🙂 

Here's what comes with He Said, She Said
Grab He Said, She Said for just $47!

He Said, She Said is a quick course designed to make your characters more like real people and less like paper dolls

Your dialogue is what's going to do the heavy lifting when it comes to getting readers invested in your characters. Give it all the resources it needs to get the job done, because that means saying goodbye to casual readers and hello to superfans.

You want readers who are eager for your next story and ready to put you on autobuy, right?

Right! And these tips and tricks are what will get you there. Your readers will love your work and start following you on social media, subscribing to your newsletter, and leaving rave reviews. The key to all those things is dialogue, and I'm going to help you take yours up a notch (several notches, in fact)!

Man reading in a park

These are the same techniques I share with my clients, including...

Dannika Dark
Dianne Duvall
Elizabeth Hunter
Gena Showalter
Ilona Andrews
Lynn Raye Harris
Nalini Singh
Thea Harrison
Vivian Torres

"What I liked the most about the He Said/She Said course was that the recommendations work! I've used many of them already in my new manuscript, and the changes have greatly improved my dialogue. I've been reading it to my daughter and husband, and they noticed it's much better, more streamlined and realistic.

This was a great investment for my future!"

—Vivian Torres

Grab He Said, She Said for just $47!
Here's what comes with He Said, She Said

What You Will Receive:

Bite-sized lessons that put the shine on your characters' convos:

  • Lessons 1-6: Superquick walk-throughs to get you up to speed on the mechanics of dialogue
    Quit worrying about how to punctuate dialogue and get this down pat. From speech tags to action beats, from ellipses to em dashes, we're going to cover it all, but quickly and painlessly. I promise.

  • Lesson 7: The Natural Pause
    There is one action beat that you can almost always get rid of, and I'd bet money that you have this slacker in your manuscript. Find out what it is and how to put it to work.

  • Lesson 8: Eliminating Waste
    Speaking of slackers… Redundant action beats aren't doing your story any favors. Recognize where you can trim them out and make your story more immersive while you're at it.
  • Lesson 9: Tightening Dialogue and Clarifying Your Speakers
    It's never a good thing if your readers are wondering who's talking. But you can keep everyone on the same page (ha!) without overusing speech tags, and I'll show you how.

  • Lesson 10: Intro to the Class Project
    The project at the end of this class will let you put your new skills to the test. Even better, you can see what other students have done and comment on their project and get feedback on your own work.

  • Lesson 11: Said-Bookisms and Invisible Tags 
    What the heck is a said-bookism? Learn what they are and more importantly how to give them the heave-ho!

  • Lesson 12: Eliminating Unnecessary Adverbs and Stage Direction
    I'm not the one to say eliminate adverbs. Adverbs are great, but you need to know when they're a red flag for where you can strengthen your dialogue. Hand in hand with that concept is making sure your action beats don't read like stage direction. 

  • Lesson 13: Avoiding Infodumps in Your Dialogue
    Infodumps in dialogue are just as bad—sometimes worse!—as infodumps in narrative. Learn how to use your dialogue to push the narrative forward rather than just throwing details at your reader.

  • Lesson 14: Cutting Out Filter Words
    Discover which speech tags can often be cut out because they go without saying. Getting rid of them will make your story high speed, low drag.

  • Lesson 15: Tricks to Make Your Dialogue Sound More Natural
    Wooden puppets don't hook readers. Learn how to make your dialogue more true to life.
Anne Victory

Hi! I'm Anne Victory!

You may be wondering who the heck I am, and that's okay. 🙂

I'm a freelance editor, and I've been editing fiction books for over a decade now. My clients include New York Times and USA Today best-selling authors and award winners  as well as new authors who are working on their first book. I believe strongly in the power of the written word, but…

I've seen too many gifted writers fall into the trap of writing brilliant stories that fail to connect with readers because the dialogue falls flat. It doesn't read like real people speak, or it just doesn't paint a picture for the reader. Whether it's tepid dialogue that lacks emotion or too much telling instead of showing, I've seen it all.

But the great news is this: it's fixable! You can learn to write dialogue that draws readers in just like they're watching a movie and gets them truly immersed in your world and invested in your characters!


"Very informative! Anne's course provided lots of insights and tips to take my dialogue skills to the next level. I especially enjoyed the hands-on project. Kudos!"

S.E. Jackson

S.E. Jackson

He Said / She Said

"Wow! I really enjoyed it and learned A LOT of new information. I like how Anne made it entertaining and quick—not boring at all. I'm already seeing improvements in my dialogue. A great investment and value-added tool!"

Vivian Torres

Vivian Torres

He Said/She Said

"There are many books out there on the craft of writing, but Anne tells you, very specifically, how to make the right changes to your own dialogue and your own words, . Detailed, useful, actionable and insightful, this course is pure gold."

Barbara Emodi

Barbara Emodi

He said she said

"Anne has such a clear way of explaining concepts that makes them very easy to understand. As a result, I could incorporate several of the things I learned right away and saw an immediate improvement in the flow of my dialogue."

Jasmine Silvera

Jasmine Silvera

He Said, She Said

All the Tools You Need to Take Your Dialogue to the Next Level!

🔖 Six fast and easy lessons on the right way to write dialogue

🔖 Nine in-depth lessons that will make your dialogue more engaging for your reader

🔖 Videos for each lesson that are full of examples and how-tos that you can immediately put to work in your own story

🔖 Audio-only versions of each lesson to ensure you can do this even if you're on the go (or simply need a break from looking at a screen)

🔖 A class project so you can practice your new skills and get feedback from others

GET IT NOW for just $47.00!

Here's what comes with He Said, She Said

Frequently asked questions...

How long is this class? I'm on a deadline!

That's okay—He Said, She Said is a surgical strike, designed to have you writing cleaner, more immersive dialogue almost immediately. You should be able to complete the class within an afternoon (or feel free to space the lessons out over a week 🙂) and start implementing the techniques within a couple of days, possibly faster depending on your story and other commitments. 


Is this really going to help me write better dialogue?

Yes! Absolutely yes. If you take the time to go over the lessons and then apply them to your own work, you'll start noticing a difference immediately. The dialogue issues I cover in this class are the same things I encounter when I'm editing for my clients, many of whom are USA Today and New York Times best-selling authors.

Can I buy this and get a refund if I don't like it?

Absolutely! Improvement is 100% guaranteed! If you watch all the classes and implement the lessons and DON'T have dialogue that's more immersive than it was before... I will personally give you your money back if you request a refund within 30 days.


What if I haven't finished my story yet?

That's totally cool—you'll be able to implement these strategies as you write. Also, it's a lot easier to build good habits than it is to relearn old ones, so you'll be ahead of the game. 🙂


How long will I have access to the class?

You'll have access for the lifetime of the course. That means you can come back and do a refresher anytime you want and there's no stress about completing the class by a certain date, though you'll probably want to finish as soon as you can and start putting those new skills to use immediately. 🙂


Who is this for?

This is for you if you're...

Writing Your First Book

This is a great class for new authors. It's easier to learn new skills than it is to relearn old ones, and you'll be setting a strong foundation out of the gate with your dialogue.

Working on Your Fifth or Tenth Book

Some of the techniques I talk about are things you might not pick up until much later in your writing career. But you can learn them now and turn your readers into superfans!

A Veteran Author

You'll still find tips and tricks you can use in your dialogue. The methods I cover here are things I share all the time when I'm editing, even when I'm working on stories from best-selling authors.

So What's Next?

Click below to sign up for the class. If you're already a member of Victory Academy, you'll be asked to log in and you'll see the class immediately in your library. If this is your first class with me, you'll be prompted to set up an account. (Check your inbox for your log-in info!)

Grab your beverage of choice, something to take notes with, and your computer, tablet, or phone.

Get ready to take your dialogue from boring to brilliant!

Watch and Learn

Take the class whenever you're ready! It's that easy, I promise!

And you can come back to visit anytime you need a refresher!

Here's what comes with He Said, She Said

Ready to do this?

Sign up now and start polishing your dialogue in just a couple of short days!  You'll get:

❧ Six quick grammar primers so the technical aspects of your dialogue are flawless.
❧ Eight short but in-depth craft lessons that will have you looking at your dialogue in a new light.
❧ Video and audio versions of all lessons.
❧ Downloadable slide decks you can keep as a reference.
❧ An interactive project at the end of the course

Yours for only $47!

See you on the other side!

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